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Comments for ClimatePolicy http://www.ClimatePolicy.org An American Meteorological Society Project Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:06:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 Comment on An Insightful and Provocative Keynote by Glenn Griffin, interested observer http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=65#comment-78340 Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:06:05 +0000 http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=65#comment-78340 I have no formal training in economics but have been reading a lot of ecological economics recently. As always, Professor Daly writes elegantly about the problems we have created for ourselves by letting the economy outstrip the earth’s ability to support it. The elegant solution of taxing what is causing the problem (i.e., taxing depletion of resources and pollution) makes a lot of sense to me. I know I’m not the only one who gets it, but it sure feels like it when I talk with others. I hope that ongoing writing by thoughtful, forward-thinking people like Professor Daly will create a critical mass of people that will be able to bring about the changes necessary to allow the continued survival of ‘spaceship earth’. GG

Comment on Equity, The Stern Review, and What We Should Do About Climate Change by Virginia http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=13#comment-57591 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:23:58 +0000 http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=13#comment-57591 “The rich countries did not make the poor countries poor” This is contentious…

Comment on How Optimism and Pessimism Shape Our Views on Climate Policy—Part I by Matthew Leitch http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=60#comment-35154 Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:02:16 +0000 http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=60#comment-35154 Firstly, I’m not sure how helpful it is to attribute views on climate change to the personality of the person holding their views.

Secondly, there is more to it than just ‘optimist – pessimist’. There is also how confidence we are in our expectations of the future. This may sound a bit abstract but it’s fundamental, particularly with something big and uncertain.

I wrote about it in an article called “Optimism, pessimism, and open-minded realism” at http://www.managedluck.co.uk/objectivist/index.shtml

The ability to get on with actions even while the truth is uncertain is very important. I don’t discuss that in the article, but obviously it is important for climate policy.

Comment on A Healthy Way to Travel by Ann Krebber http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=70#comment-33333 Sun, 18 Apr 2010 04:02:55 +0000 http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=70#comment-33333 Yes, I agree with your thoughts above. Our willingness to make a few changes in our lifestyle that is willing to do physical exercises to replace the use of vehicles for short distances will be having many positive effects on our life. By increasing the portion of daily exercise, there is an opportunity to improve our health so that we can reduce many unnecessary health expenses including diet plan cost. Thus, we can hope for increasing of our saving.

Comment on Facilitating Disruption by nate http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=72#comment-32120 Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:16:30 +0000 http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=72#comment-32120 Richard,

You are either wonderfully optimistic and naive or horridly cynical, I can’t tell which :-).

The reality is that Climate Policy is a misnomer. Climate Policy is really People Policy. This is a Risk Management issue pure and simple which effects every living human being on this planet in one way or another.

A theory has been put forward and has gained some traction. It is only now receiving truly intense scrutiy from outside the bullwork of bureacracy which is IPCC and of the society of friends which has been those leading the charge based around the notion of AGW.

You are absolutely correct that there is much distraction going on and irrational behavior on every side of the debate. It seems to frustrate you. I actually find the interest healthy. My own interest peaked with ClimateGate and after reading through 150 pages of the EA e-mails, having to filter out “analysis” by an avowed conspiracy theorist, I find the scrutiny the actors both within CRU and without to be useful.

As a professional Risk Manager, I’ve always found it useful to challenge the assertions/materiality of those who come to me with a risk in a respectful way. The individual making the assertion will have their position challenged. It’s healthy, and good preparatory work for me when I have to take the position to the Program Manager, get funding for mitigation, and assign the appropriate resource to develop the mitigation plan. Honest debate, discussed in a respectful way which separates known elements from the unknown is the only way I’ve found to seriously address Risk Management.

The Climate Policy debate influences everyday people. The elitism shown within the ClimateGate e-mails is palpable. The reactions to it by many conformist institutions without a curious brain cell in their heads is predictable. Your article misses the point completely. Rationality is often about perception of same by the individual looking through their individual prism. In a diverse world one should not be surprised to discover diversity of thought. To write off those differences and character attribute is being irrational is to be too readily dismissive of those who are different than you. Any honest man or woman should be able to look in the mirror and admit that the image staring back at them does not represent the “ideal”. The viewpoints of that individual will be necessarilly fallible, and that each day represents an opportunity for learning from those who are different than that face we see.

AGW theory proposes a risk and a source. IPCC seeks to quantify impact (remember, risk quantified = probability * consequence) and prepare policy recommendations for a path forward, all this based on confidence in both the evidence and the potential impacts of the incumbent scenario. IPCC seeks to validate the integrity of their advisory content through process and vetting of the characters who contribute the content.

That the public speaking through their elected representatives holds these institutions and their designees to a high standard IS A GOOD THING!

AGW theory and accompaning Climate Policy recommendations by those who are proponents of the theory represents one path forward based on a level of uncertainty both of the quantity of risk in evidence and now with ClimateGate, the integrity of those who submitted the content.

The incumbent path forward carries with it incumbent risks AS DOES ANY DEVIATION THEREFROM.

There is absolute certainty that the “consensus recommendation” COP15 was intended to drive represented risk. It came with a cost. Proponents would argue the framework and binding language desired came with overwhelming benefits that outweighed those risks.

Proponents of COP15 language in the aftermath of the timid response from official participants remain frustrated, and “blame the messenger”. That messenger of course is the constituency the heads of state and designees present are accountable too.

Frustration with that constituency by labeling them as irrational is elitest and foolish. Part of Climate Policy by necessity is to craft a message which seems rational to the ultimate customer and stakeholder of the proposed policy changes in question.

Respectfully I say to your profession, buck up and prepare a “rational” policy roadmap going forward that appeals to the constituency you ultimately answer to, your fellow citizens of this globe and stop complaining or get out of the way and let new voices speak in a dialect that your fellow species members can better understand and appreciate.

ClimateGate reveals individuals in a “cocoon” that really need to get out more. Spend some time with everyday people. Appreciate the salt of the earth. Listen to their challenges to your ideas. Respond with respect and courtesy to them…you’ll get further with them that way. Like it or not, they stand before you requiring persuasion. Coercion isn’t an option so dealing with those you consider “irrational” goes with the territory. Maybe if you take the time to get to know them a little better, perhaps there’s more logic to the “wisdom of the crowds” than you give them credit.

Best wishes,


Comment on A Healthy Way to Travel by Kelly http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=70#comment-31540 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:22:00 +0000 http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=70#comment-31540 I agree that creating bike lanes out of auto lanes may initially cause traffic problems. One would find, however, that once the conditions improve for individuals to safely cycle or walk in urban areas, the traffic problems would diminish as more people take advantage of bike and foot paths. In addition, there are now alternative forms of conventional concrete. Rather than building with conventional concrete or asphalt, more and more communities, municipalities, and businesses are switching to pervious concrete or porous pavement, a material that offers the inherent durability and low life-cycle costs of a typical concrete pavement while retaining stormwater runoff and replenishing local watershed systems.

Comment on A Healthy Way to Travel by Dean http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=70#comment-30845 Mon, 21 Dec 2009 04:19:48 +0000 http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=70#comment-30845 Unfortunately, things are connected more than most people can imagine, though climatologists probably are more aware than most. In order to get safely around on foot or bicycle, roads have to be designed with this mode in mind. Sidewalks and bike paths require more concrete, and cooking limestone into cement is one of the greatest CO2 emissions sources. Creating bike lanes out of auto lanes creates more traffic jams, which will be uselessly carbon-emitting until everyone is driving hybrid cars that shut off their engines instead of idling. While it’s hard to tell from the abstract, it appears that this wasn’t taken into account.

Comment on Facilitating Disruption by Andi Chapple http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=72#comment-30806 Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:27:47 +0000 http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=72#comment-30806 Richard – thanks very much for this, I have found it very enlightening to go back and consider the actions of people I have been involved with in the light of your analysis. I too have spent a lot of time and energy trying to deal with people from the assumption that they had the same goals as I did, but we were just misunderstanding one another in some way I could never work out.

Coincidentally, yesterday the fine Mind Hacks blog (http://www.mindhacks.com/) pointed me to an article about the motivation of internet trolls (people who subvert discussions, pick pointless arguments, etc. on forums and comment threads) at Cognition and Culture (http://www.cognitionandculture.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=559:conversation-hackers-trolls-argumentation&catid=32:oliviers-blog&Itemid=34) written by Olivier Morin and Sophie Claudel which you may find interesting.

Best wishes, Andi

Comment on How Optimism and Pessimism Shape Our Views on Climate Policy—Part II: Evidence by Mac Callaway http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=64#comment-30392 Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:36:53 +0000 http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=64#comment-30392 Should we worry about making “ex ante” policy choices that look good, now, but turn out to be wrong “ex post” (due to “wrong” climate or economic development forecasts)?

That leads me to divide people into two categories: precautionists who worry about the consequences of making type 2 errors (Planning for less severe climate change than actually occurs) and cautionists who worry about the consequences of making type 1 errors (Planning for more severe climate change than occurs).

I think this division also nicely defines the policy debate.

Comment on How to Prevent Climate Change Summit from Failure by najlah hicks http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=69#comment-29952 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:05:45 +0000 http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=69#comment-29952 Hi,

Nine internationally acclaimed photojournalists have come together to put a lens on the effects of climate change. http://www.consequencesbynoor.com

Our photographs are stunning reminders of how climate change is effecting the earth. We would love to talk with you about featuring the project on your site. Please feel free to contact me. najlah@designforsocialgood.com

about consequences by noor

From the frontiers of climate change comes Consequences by NOOR. Featuring the work of nine, internationally acclaimed photographers, this exhibition documents the devastating effects of climate change around the globe. These stunning photographs show not what might happen in the future but what is happening today.

The subjects include: a massive pine beetle kill in British Columbia, genocide in Darfur, the rising sea level in the Maldives, Nenet reindeer herders in Siberia, Inuit hunters in Greenland, a looming crisis in Kolkata, India, coal mining in Poland, oil sand extraction in Canada and the deforestation of the Amazon Rainforest by Brazilian cattle ranchers.

Consequences by NOOR premiers at the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen, December 7 through December 18, 2009.

Consequences by NOOR goes on tour in 2010 and is available for booking. Below is just one of the images from our project. I’d love to speak with someone to see if you’d be interested in featuring a few of the images on the wwfus website.

Najlah Hicks
Chief Creative Officer
Design for Social Good