<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><!-- generator="wordpress/2.2.2" -->
<rss version="2.0" 
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/">
<channel>
	<title>Comments for ClimatePolicy</title>
	<link>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org</link>
	<description>An American Meteorological Society Project</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 00:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2</generator>

	<item>
		<title>Comment on An Insightful and Provocative Keynote by Glenn Griffin, interested observer</title>
		<link>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=65#comment-78340</link>
		<author>Glenn Griffin, interested observer</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=65#comment-78340</guid>
		<description>I have no formal training in economics but have been reading a lot of ecological economics recently.  As always, Professor Daly writes elegantly about the problems we have created for ourselves by letting the economy outstrip the earth's ability to support it.  The elegant solution of taxing what is causing the problem (i.e., taxing depletion of resources and pollution) makes a lot of sense to me.  I know I'm not the only one who gets it, but it sure feels like it when I talk with others.  I hope that ongoing writing by thoughtful, forward-thinking people like Professor Daly will create a critical mass of people that will be able to bring about the changes necessary to allow the continued survival of 'spaceship earth'.  GG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no formal training in economics but have been reading a lot of ecological economics recently.  As always, Professor Daly writes elegantly about the problems we have created for ourselves by letting the economy outstrip the earth&#8217;s ability to support it.  The elegant solution of taxing what is causing the problem (i.e., taxing depletion of resources and pollution) makes a lot of sense to me.  I know I&#8217;m not the only one who gets it, but it sure feels like it when I talk with others.  I hope that ongoing writing by thoughtful, forward-thinking people like Professor Daly will create a critical mass of people that will be able to bring about the changes necessary to allow the continued survival of &#8217;spaceship earth&#8217;.  GG</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Equity, The Stern Review, and What We Should Do About Climate Change by Virginia</title>
		<link>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=13#comment-57591</link>
		<author>Virginia</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=13#comment-57591</guid>
		<description>"The rich countries did not make the poor countries poor" This is contentious...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The rich countries did not make the poor countries poor&#8221; This is contentious&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on How Optimism and Pessimism Shape Our Views on Climate Policy—Part I by Matthew Leitch</title>
		<link>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=60#comment-35154</link>
		<author>Matthew Leitch</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=60#comment-35154</guid>
		<description>Firstly, I'm not sure how helpful it is to attribute views on climate change to the personality of the person holding their views.

Secondly, there is more to it than just 'optimist - pessimist'.  There is also how confidence we are in our expectations of the future. This may sound a bit abstract but it's fundamental, particularly with something big and uncertain.

I wrote about it in an article called "Optimism, pessimism, and open-minded realism" at http://www.managedluck.co.uk/objectivist/index.shtml

The ability to get on with actions even while the truth is uncertain is very important. I don't discuss that in the article, but obviously it is important for climate policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, I&#8217;m not sure how helpful it is to attribute views on climate change to the personality of the person holding their views.</p>
<p>Secondly, there is more to it than just &#8216;optimist - pessimist&#8217;.  There is also how confidence we are in our expectations of the future. This may sound a bit abstract but it&#8217;s fundamental, particularly with something big and uncertain.</p>
<p>I wrote about it in an article called &#8220;Optimism, pessimism, and open-minded realism&#8221; at <a href="http://www.managedluck.co.uk/objectivist/index.shtml" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.managedluck.co.uk');">http://www.managedluck.co.uk/objectivist/index.shtml</a></p>
<p>The ability to get on with actions even while the truth is uncertain is very important. I don&#8217;t discuss that in the article, but obviously it is important for climate policy.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on If Lady Chatterley’s Lover, then … by Louis Hooffstetter</title>
		<link>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=73#comment-34978</link>
		<author>Louis Hooffstetter</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=73#comment-34978</guid>
		<description>Hi, can you help me out? I'm new to this website, coming here via Judith Curry's new blog Climate Etc. I'm not really interested in Op-Eds bemoaning political division; I want to understand the factors that influence climate change, with emphasis on determining exactly how much is attributable to specific human activities (fossil fuel consumption, land use, etc). If we have the answers to these questions, we can stop arguing and set meaningful policy. Can you please refer me to the specific articles at this website that deal with these issues? Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, can you help me out? I&#8217;m new to this website, coming here via Judith Curry&#8217;s new blog Climate Etc. I&#8217;m not really interested in Op-Eds bemoaning political division; I want to understand the factors that influence climate change, with emphasis on determining exactly how much is attributable to specific human activities (fossil fuel consumption, land use, etc). If we have the answers to these questions, we can stop arguing and set meaningful policy. Can you please refer me to the specific articles at this website that deal with these issues? Thanks.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on A Healthy Way to Travel by David from getcheaptrainfares.co.uk</title>
		<link>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=70#comment-34896</link>
		<author>David from getcheaptrainfares.co.uk</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=70#comment-34896</guid>
		<description>Wow! This is indeed a very informative one! I really appreciate the effort of posting this very healthy informative blog. I love the calculations when you mentioned that a person can burn 12.2 and 26.0 kg of fat per year in terms of walking or cycling. At this point, you can surely attract most people who doesn't know about the facts comparing of walking or cycling to car trips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! This is indeed a very informative one! I really appreciate the effort of posting this very healthy informative blog. I love the calculations when you mentioned that a person can burn 12.2 and 26.0 kg of fat per year in terms of walking or cycling. At this point, you can surely attract most people who doesn&#8217;t know about the facts comparing of walking or cycling to car trips.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Opinions and Anecdotal Evidence by Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=66#comment-34142</link>
		<author>Mark</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=66#comment-34142</guid>
		<description>"It’s unbelievable that, compared with the cyclical nature of our heat source, people can believe that variations in trace gasses are a major factor in the planet’s temperature."

It's unbelievable that you would assert this without measuring the variation of this cyclical nature of our heat source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solar-cycle-data.png

which is less than 1 part in 1366.

However, IR trapping gasses that don't fall out in a few days, CO2 is the top contender and constitute over 95% of the total volume of such gasses:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas

And CO2 has increased 40%, hardly insignificant.

Dai, *Iron* is a trace element. What happens when you have zero iron (which is at less than 380ppm in your body)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_deficiency_%28medicine%29

But I guess you don't want skepticism or maths or checking the process. All you want is dogma and AGW to be false.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s unbelievable that, compared with the cyclical nature of our heat source, people can believe that variations in trace gasses are a major factor in the planet’s temperature.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unbelievable that you would assert this without measuring the variation of this cyclical nature of our heat source:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solar-cycle-data.png" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/en.wikipedia.org');">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solar-cycle-data.png</a></p>
<p>which is less than 1 part in 1366.</p>
<p>However, IR trapping gasses that don&#8217;t fall out in a few days, CO2 is the top contender and constitute over 95% of the total volume of such gasses:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/en.wikipedia.org');">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas</a></p>
<p>And CO2 has increased 40%, hardly insignificant.</p>
<p>Dai, *Iron* is a trace element. What happens when you have zero iron (which is at less than 380ppm in your body)?</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_deficiency_%28medicine%29" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/en.wikipedia.org');">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_deficiency_%28medicine%29</a></p>
<p>But I guess you don&#8217;t want skepticism or maths or checking the process. All you want is dogma and AGW to be false.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on A Healthy Way to Travel by Ann Krebber</title>
		<link>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=70#comment-33333</link>
		<author>Ann Krebber</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 04:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=70#comment-33333</guid>
		<description>Yes, I agree with your thoughts above. Our willingness to make a few changes in our lifestyle that is willing to do physical exercises to replace the use of vehicles for short distances will be having many positive effects on our life. By increasing the portion of daily exercise, there is an opportunity to improve our health so that we can reduce many unnecessary health expenses including diet plan cost. Thus, we can hope for increasing of our saving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree with your thoughts above. Our willingness to make a few changes in our lifestyle that is willing to do physical exercises to replace the use of vehicles for short distances will be having many positive effects on our life. By increasing the portion of daily exercise, there is an opportunity to improve our health so that we can reduce many unnecessary health expenses including diet plan cost. Thus, we can hope for increasing of our saving.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Facilitating Disruption by nate</title>
		<link>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=72#comment-32120</link>
		<author>nate</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=72#comment-32120</guid>
		<description>Richard,

You are either wonderfully optimistic and naive or horridly cynical, I can't tell which :-).

The reality is that Climate Policy is a misnomer.  Climate Policy is really People Policy.  This is a Risk Management issue pure and simple which effects every living human being on this planet in one way or another.

A theory has been put forward and has gained some traction.  It is only now receiving truly intense scrutiy from outside the bullwork of bureacracy which is IPCC and of the society of friends which has been those leading the charge based around the notion of AGW.

You are absolutely correct that there is much distraction going on and irrational behavior on every side of the debate.  It seems to frustrate you.  I actually find the interest healthy.  My own interest peaked with ClimateGate and after reading through 150 pages of the EA e-mails, having to filter out "analysis" by an avowed conspiracy theorist, I find the scrutiny the actors both within CRU and without to be useful.

As a professional Risk Manager, I've always found it useful to challenge the assertions/materiality of those who come to me with a risk in a respectful way.  The individual making the assertion will have their position challenged.  It's healthy, and good preparatory work for me when I have to take the position to the Program Manager, get funding for mitigation, and assign the appropriate resource to develop the mitigation plan.  Honest debate, discussed in a respectful way which separates known elements from the unknown is the only way I've found to seriously address Risk Management.

The Climate Policy debate influences everyday people.  The elitism shown within the ClimateGate e-mails is palpable.  The reactions to it by many conformist institutions without a curious brain cell in their heads is predictable.  Your article misses the point completely.  Rationality is often about perception of same by the individual looking through their individual prism.  In a diverse world one should not be surprised to discover diversity of thought.  To write off those differences and character attribute is being irrational is to be too readily dismissive of those who are different than you.  Any honest man or woman should be able to look in the mirror and admit that the image staring back at them does not represent the "ideal".  The viewpoints of that individual will be necessarilly fallible, and that each day represents an opportunity for learning from those who are different than that face we see.

AGW theory proposes a risk and a source.  IPCC seeks to quantify impact (remember, risk quantified = probability * consequence) and prepare policy recommendations for a path forward, all this based on confidence in both the evidence and the potential impacts of the incumbent scenario.  IPCC seeks to validate the integrity of their advisory content through process and vetting of the characters who contribute the content.

That the public speaking through their elected representatives holds these institutions and their designees to a high standard IS A GOOD THING!

AGW theory and accompaning Climate Policy recommendations by those who are proponents of the theory represents one path forward based on a level of uncertainty both of the quantity of risk in evidence and now with ClimateGate, the integrity of those who submitted the content.

The incumbent path forward carries with it incumbent risks AS DOES ANY DEVIATION THEREFROM.

There is absolute certainty that the "consensus recommendation" COP15 was intended to drive represented risk.  It came with a cost.  Proponents would argue the framework and binding language desired came with overwhelming benefits that outweighed those risks.

Proponents of COP15 language in the aftermath of the timid response from official participants remain frustrated, and "blame the messenger".  That messenger of course is the constituency the heads of state and designees present are accountable too.

Frustration with that constituency by labeling them as irrational is elitest and foolish.  Part of Climate Policy by necessity is to craft a message which seems rational to the ultimate customer and stakeholder of the proposed policy changes in question.

Respectfully I say to your profession, buck up and prepare a "rational" policy roadmap going forward that appeals to the constituency you ultimately answer to, your fellow citizens of this globe and stop complaining or get out of the way and let new voices speak in a dialect that your fellow species members can better understand and appreciate.

ClimateGate reveals individuals in a "cocoon" that really need to get out more.  Spend some time with everyday people.  Appreciate the salt of the earth.  Listen to their challenges to your ideas.  Respond with respect and courtesy to them...you'll get further with them that way.  Like it or not, they stand before you requiring persuasion.  Coercion isn't an option so dealing with those you consider "irrational" goes with the territory.  Maybe if you take the time to get to know them a little better, perhaps there's more logic to the "wisdom of the crowds" than you give them credit.

Best wishes,

Nate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>You are either wonderfully optimistic and naive or horridly cynical, I can&#8217;t tell which :-).</p>
<p>The reality is that Climate Policy is a misnomer.  Climate Policy is really People Policy.  This is a Risk Management issue pure and simple which effects every living human being on this planet in one way or another.</p>
<p>A theory has been put forward and has gained some traction.  It is only now receiving truly intense scrutiy from outside the bullwork of bureacracy which is IPCC and of the society of friends which has been those leading the charge based around the notion of AGW.</p>
<p>You are absolutely correct that there is much distraction going on and irrational behavior on every side of the debate.  It seems to frustrate you.  I actually find the interest healthy.  My own interest peaked with ClimateGate and after reading through 150 pages of the EA e-mails, having to filter out &#8220;analysis&#8221; by an avowed conspiracy theorist, I find the scrutiny the actors both within CRU and without to be useful.</p>
<p>As a professional Risk Manager, I&#8217;ve always found it useful to challenge the assertions/materiality of those who come to me with a risk in a respectful way.  The individual making the assertion will have their position challenged.  It&#8217;s healthy, and good preparatory work for me when I have to take the position to the Program Manager, get funding for mitigation, and assign the appropriate resource to develop the mitigation plan.  Honest debate, discussed in a respectful way which separates known elements from the unknown is the only way I&#8217;ve found to seriously address Risk Management.</p>
<p>The Climate Policy debate influences everyday people.  The elitism shown within the ClimateGate e-mails is palpable.  The reactions to it by many conformist institutions without a curious brain cell in their heads is predictable.  Your article misses the point completely.  Rationality is often about perception of same by the individual looking through their individual prism.  In a diverse world one should not be surprised to discover diversity of thought.  To write off those differences and character attribute is being irrational is to be too readily dismissive of those who are different than you.  Any honest man or woman should be able to look in the mirror and admit that the image staring back at them does not represent the &#8220;ideal&#8221;.  The viewpoints of that individual will be necessarilly fallible, and that each day represents an opportunity for learning from those who are different than that face we see.</p>
<p>AGW theory proposes a risk and a source.  IPCC seeks to quantify impact (remember, risk quantified = probability * consequence) and prepare policy recommendations for a path forward, all this based on confidence in both the evidence and the potential impacts of the incumbent scenario.  IPCC seeks to validate the integrity of their advisory content through process and vetting of the characters who contribute the content.</p>
<p>That the public speaking through their elected representatives holds these institutions and their designees to a high standard IS A GOOD THING!</p>
<p>AGW theory and accompaning Climate Policy recommendations by those who are proponents of the theory represents one path forward based on a level of uncertainty both of the quantity of risk in evidence and now with ClimateGate, the integrity of those who submitted the content.</p>
<p>The incumbent path forward carries with it incumbent risks AS DOES ANY DEVIATION THEREFROM.</p>
<p>There is absolute certainty that the &#8220;consensus recommendation&#8221; COP15 was intended to drive represented risk.  It came with a cost.  Proponents would argue the framework and binding language desired came with overwhelming benefits that outweighed those risks.</p>
<p>Proponents of COP15 language in the aftermath of the timid response from official participants remain frustrated, and &#8220;blame the messenger&#8221;.  That messenger of course is the constituency the heads of state and designees present are accountable too.</p>
<p>Frustration with that constituency by labeling them as irrational is elitest and foolish.  Part of Climate Policy by necessity is to craft a message which seems rational to the ultimate customer and stakeholder of the proposed policy changes in question.</p>
<p>Respectfully I say to your profession, buck up and prepare a &#8220;rational&#8221; policy roadmap going forward that appeals to the constituency you ultimately answer to, your fellow citizens of this globe and stop complaining or get out of the way and let new voices speak in a dialect that your fellow species members can better understand and appreciate.</p>
<p>ClimateGate reveals individuals in a &#8220;cocoon&#8221; that really need to get out more.  Spend some time with everyday people.  Appreciate the salt of the earth.  Listen to their challenges to your ideas.  Respond with respect and courtesy to them&#8230;you&#8217;ll get further with them that way.  Like it or not, they stand before you requiring persuasion.  Coercion isn&#8217;t an option so dealing with those you consider &#8220;irrational&#8221; goes with the territory.  Maybe if you take the time to get to know them a little better, perhaps there&#8217;s more logic to the &#8220;wisdom of the crowds&#8221; than you give them credit.</p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Nate</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on A Healthy Way to Travel by Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=70#comment-31540</link>
		<author>Kelly</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=70#comment-31540</guid>
		<description>I agree that creating bike lanes out of auto lanes may initially cause traffic problems. One would find, however, that once the conditions improve for individuals to safely cycle or walk in urban areas, the traffic problems would diminish as more people take advantage of bike and foot paths. In addition, there are now alternative forms of conventional concrete. Rather than building with conventional concrete or asphalt, more and more communities, municipalities, and businesses are switching to pervious concrete or porous pavement, a material that offers the inherent durability and low life-cycle costs of a typical concrete pavement while retaining stormwater runoff and replenishing local watershed systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that creating bike lanes out of auto lanes may initially cause traffic problems. One would find, however, that once the conditions improve for individuals to safely cycle or walk in urban areas, the traffic problems would diminish as more people take advantage of bike and foot paths. In addition, there are now alternative forms of conventional concrete. Rather than building with conventional concrete or asphalt, more and more communities, municipalities, and businesses are switching to pervious concrete or porous pavement, a material that offers the inherent durability and low life-cycle costs of a typical concrete pavement while retaining stormwater runoff and replenishing local watershed systems.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on A Healthy Way to Travel by Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=70#comment-30845</link>
		<author>Dean</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 04:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ClimatePolicy.org/?p=70#comment-30845</guid>
		<description>Unfortunately, things are connected more than most people can imagine, though climatologists probably are more aware than most.  In order to get safely around on foot or bicycle, roads have to be designed with this mode in mind.  Sidewalks and bike paths require more concrete, and cooking limestone into cement is one of the greatest CO2 emissions sources.   Creating bike lanes out of auto lanes creates more traffic jams, which will be uselessly carbon-emitting until everyone is driving hybrid cars that shut off their engines instead of idling.   While it's hard to tell from the abstract, it appears that this wasn't taken into account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, things are connected more than most people can imagine, though climatologists probably are more aware than most.  In order to get safely around on foot or bicycle, roads have to be designed with this mode in mind.  Sidewalks and bike paths require more concrete, and cooking limestone into cement is one of the greatest CO2 emissions sources.   Creating bike lanes out of auto lanes creates more traffic jams, which will be uselessly carbon-emitting until everyone is driving hybrid cars that shut off their engines instead of idling.   While it&#8217;s hard to tell from the abstract, it appears that this wasn&#8217;t taken into account.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
